While heading to court to answer charges of corrupting the youth, Socrates meets up with Euthyphro who is reporting his father for murder. Euthyphro, one of Plato’s early dialogues, has been variously dated from to BCE, shortly after the death of Socrates 4a-e, translated by G.M.A. Grube. Euthyphro first tries to explain to Socrates what piety and impiety are by . of Socrates, translated by G. M. A. Grube, Hackett Publishing ().

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However, on the other hand, if things are pious independently of the gods, and the go end up loving the pious things because they are already pious, then it looks like the role of the gods is diminished.

Moreover, defining “piety” as that which all the gods love is not getting us any closer to figuring out what piety is. Socrates notes that they have basically returned to an earlier definition that has since been rejected: Fill in your details below or click an icon to gribe in: Email required Address never made public.

As I read it, Euthyphro defines piety as the property of being loved by all the gods. You are commenting using your WordPress. It confuses a characteristic of piety with its definition. He points out that the gods not only fail to always agree with each other, eutuyphro that their disagreements often revolve around seminal human issues such as what suthyphro just and unjust.

Socrates wonders what the gods could possibly need from men. Euthyphro seems so sure that his deeds are correct and pious. To look at it differently, Socrates thinks a definition of X captures the essence of X: He asks Euthyphro to teach him about what piety and impiety are, so that he can see for himself whether what Euthyphro is doing to his father is a pious act. euthypro


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Thanks grubbe sharing your insights on the Euthyphro dilemma. So you ask your friend, who professes to be rather knowledgeable about such matters, “what is beer? Thus, to define piety as being loved by the gods is to explain piety euthypyro saying pious things are pious because the gods love them.

This leads Socrates to complain, “you told me an affect or quality of [the pious], that the pious has the quality of being loved by all the gods, but you have not yet told me what the pious is. When Socrates attempts to get him to elaborate on that response, Euthyphro goes off track; he now states that piety is an exchange of needs between gods and men. Socrates wants an unambiguous form of piety and impiety that never deviates.

Socrates asks him if he believes in all the myths about the wars between the gods, which he answers with an affirmative.

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The gods might love piety, but that does not mean everything the gods love is pious. So it looks like we are faced with a dilemma: At this point Euthyphro has had enough. Notify me of new comments via email. This site uses cookies. Either the gods recognize pious things and love them because they are pious, or else the gods simply love whatever things they do, and it is because gods love these things that they are pious.


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The fourth definition of piety offered is that piety is the part of the just that is concerned with the care of the gods. My own objection would be that this is a bit of circular reasoning in that it defines the concept by the act he wants to justify as being pious in the first place.

The only problem is that you know hardly anything about beer.

After running into Euthyphro outside of king-archon’s court and hearing about why Euthyphro is there, Socrates is not convinced that Euthyphro prosecuting his father for murder is the just or pious thing to do. Sadly, Plato takes the dialogue in a different direction rather than exploring that possibility. You are commenting using your Facebook account.

Thus his answer to the follow-up question seems to amount to saying the gods love pious things because the gods love them, which is circular and nonsensical.

By simply pointing out instances of beer is of very little help to you. Leave a Reply Cancel reply Enter your comment here Now, Socrates thinks definitions explain the thing defined. He wants the Essence of piety, its form.

They compare the relationship of the gods to man to the relationship between master and slave. He does this, however, to note how the action is caught up with what the actor is doing: But he asks Euthyphro about the order of explanation: